House Government Reform Committee
on Autism and Vaccines
Representative Dan Burton, Chairman
April 6, 2000
Karyn Seroussi
Listen to Autism
Hearings
This is several hours long but was one of the most important and dramatic
events I've ever experienced. I was able to get into the courtroom after I
participated in the press conference -- Congressman Burton brought me in
through his office. I cannot begin to express how critical I think this is.
Please listen to it.
The debate between the works of Brent Taylor and Andrew Wakefield was
remarkable -- Andy simply said, "I have found something," and Taylor replied
with "I have proven that you cannot possibly have found something." O'Leary
stated "I have confirmed that Dr. Wakefield has found something." Offit
responded with, "he cannot have found something that suggests a link between
autism and vaccines, because of the possible consequences of such a finding."
There was a shining moment where I could have jumped up and kissed
Congressman Burton. He said, "Dr. Wakefield, would you be willing to release
your methodology and data to an independent panel of researchers?"
"Yes, of course."
"Prof. O'Leary, would you be willing to release your methodology and data to
an independent panel of researchers?"
"Without hesitation."
"Dr. Singh, would you be willing to release your methodology and data to an
independent panel of researchers?"
"Absolutely."
"Dr. Taylor, would you be willing to release your methodology and data to an
independent panel of researchers?"
"Uhhhhhhh, I'd have to check with my superiors."
The following day many of us parents went to the NIH for what we thought was
going to be a meeting. Unfortunately, their agenda was, "sit quietly while we
tell you all about autism, and afterward, you will be permitted to ask
questions." Dr. Marie Bristol-Power spoke first, with a sort of overview of
autism research. She explained that a 20-year longitudinal study was our best
bet for collecting data on normal brains, looking at environmental factors,
etc. Barbara Loe Fisher (NVIC) pointed out that it would be difficult to find
"normal" brains if all of the subjects in their study were vaccinated.
Rick Rollens stood up and pointed out that there was revolutionary research
to be done, and urged cooperation between the NIH and the MIND Institute. I
stood up and explained that many of us parents and researchers had great
ideas for studies, such as controlled studies looking at immune panels, food
allergies, nutritional deficiencies, gastrointestinal problems, etc. and
urged them to start looking into such areas instead of the traditional brain
and genetics stuff. Dr. Michael Goldberg, from California, talked about his
work and also emphasized how important it is to explore these areas.
The moderator was looking a bit aggravated. He requested that we please
refrain from speaking until the end of the meeting. The problem was, the
meeting was from 10-12, and they had five speakers. It was already almost
11am. In other words, the meeting was just long enough for them to say their
piece.
Things got worse from there. The second presentation was on the potential of
brain imaging to determine what is different about autistic brains. Dr. Foote
spoke to us as if we were in kindergarten, saying, "we have sophisticated
technology for looking at the brain ... it's called M. R. I." We were hopping
mad.
The third presentation was from a Dr. Hirtz, and it went something like,
"What is autism? Autism is a rare disorder seen in 12 out of every 10,000
people. It is believed to be genetic and neurological." She went on with
"Autism 101" for a few minutes and I was writhing in my seat. Rick Rollens
was patting my hand and whispering "Down, girl."
Finally, in the middle of it all, Dr. Goldberg interrupted -- he jumped up
and asked, "Why are you wasting our time with 20-year-old information? You
people need to have a major paradigm shift in your perception of autism.
These kids are not behaviorally challenged, they are physically ill! Until
you recognize this, you are going to waste another 20 years looking at the
wrong issues." Hirtz looked like she had never been interrupted in her entire
career, and stood there gaping.
He continued: "We are looking at a terrible, tragic epidemic that will
sacrifice an entire generation of children unless you can do something
remarkable. You need to listen to our findings as parents and pediatricians.
We already know that autism in immunological -- why don't you know this
already? We already have studies looking at treatment through correcting the
immune dysfunction -- why aren't you interested in these studies?"
He went on for a couple of minutes and then the moderator interrupted and
said, "This is how this meeting is going to go: We will finish our
presentations, and you will be allowed to ask questions afterward."
Well, this was it for me. I leaped up and screamed, "How dare you patronize
us with this kind of information? We are not stupid -- we are educated,
informed parents who have done thousands of hours of research in autism. We
did not come here to be lectured to, we came to be listened to. We are full
of ideas that you must hear. We know what happened to our children -- how can
you think you will be able to tell us otherwise?"
Then I turned to the audience and said, "My child had chronic ear infections
and allergies but developed typically. After his MMR vaccine, he had seizures
and a high fever, and within three weeks lost all social and language skills,
and developed chronic gastrointestinal problems. To how many people does this
sound familiar?" Every hand in the audience went up.
The moderator said, "Fine, I guess we'll just fast-forward through our
presentations and let you people do all the talking." He started flipping
through the slides. Unfortunately for him, the next presentation was from a
guy from NIH Infectious Diseases, and the slides said things like, "Why
Vaccines Are Safe And Effective." I really started hollering then.
"Look at that nonsense! Did you actually think you were going to convince us
that we don't have a problem? Listen to me: We Are No Longer Susceptible To
Your Propaganda."
Then Dr. Goldberg said something else. Then the guy said,"well, you didn't
even let us finish." I pointed out that the meeting was more than half over,
and that if they were going to continue wasting our time, I was leaving to go
have lunch and would anyone like to join me?
People started to get up, but Barbara Fisher, bless her, said, "Hang on a
minute. You go on and finish, but we would like a chance to speak when you're
done."
The moderator turned off the projector and said, "Okay, here's what we'll do.
We have the room until 1pm. Why don't we finish up, and then you people can
line up and say what you want."
After that, Dr. Bristol-Power stood up and gave a rather subdued talk on how
it might be possible to look at some of these issues. Her language had
changed. She referred to autism as an epidemic at least four times, and
referred several times to the immune issues (not the "possible" immune
issues).
Then lots of parents came up and said what they wanted. The speakers didn't
say another word. Rick urged them to consider holding more meetings like
this. Hirtz was glaring at him with an "over my dead body" expression on her
face.
Afterward, I went up to Marie B-P and shook her hand and thanked her. I told
her that I believed she was the only person on that stage who was actually
listening to us. She had the strangest expression on her face. I looked into
her eyes and I thought, oh god, she believes us. She believes us and she
can't say anything. I hope I'm right, but I don't know what good it'll do.
There are two books out called "The Medical Mafia" and "Racketeering in
Medicine" -- I think I'm going to have to read them.
I am also ordering a little book from Amazon called "How the Immune System
Works." Maybe I'll send a copy to Paul Offit...
The rally was a huge success. Shelley & Aidan Reynolds, and Jeana & Darryl
Smith are my new heroes. That evening, I also discovered that they know how
to get down and boogie.
For everyone who missed this DC events, I urge you to stay in the loop and
show up when the next round of hearings are scheduled. Remember, Right should
make Might, but large numbers are helpful too.
I guess I'm going to have to write another book.
-Karyn
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